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1. Karl Brand says:

   December 17, 2015 at 8:04 PM

   Conventional wisdom holds that 4-8-2’s, 4411-4422, utilized Baldwin’s web-spoked wheel centers. This is stated on page 178 Collias’s Frisco Power and on page 57 of Stagner’s Steam Locomotives of the Frisco. In a March 1989 TRAINS article, p 35, Stagner changes his facts slightly and states that engines 4412-4422 received the Baldwin web-spokes The constraints of war-time needs are cited as the reason the Frisco shifted to the web-spoke wheels.

   Photographic evidence suggests that this was not so cut and dried. Within Collias’s book there is one example that contradicts conventional wisdom. On page 194, a picture of 4411, in passenger livery, is on the point of number 9; the date is August 1943. The locomotive sports Scullin Discs.
   In Stagner’s book, Steam Locomotives of the Frisco there are two examples where the conventional wisdom falls down:

   Page 58, 4411 with Scullin Discs rest at KC on June 27, 1948
   Page 67, 4414 with Scullin Discs, handles 3-34 on Sept 3, 1944

   In Stagner’s Frisco Steam Finale engine 4413 with Scullin Discs is at KC on June 1, 1947. Locomotive 4414 also appears in Stagner’s TRAINS magazine article, and sports Scullin Discs. The caption mis-identifies those drivers as web-spoke. The photo is undated. I can find no other examples in the published works the show Scullin Disc drivers on anything above the 4414.
   The Frisco dot Org website contains two examples of 4400’s, which seemingly break with conventional wisdom.
   http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=2043&d=1131748867 4410 Scullin. That’s not a problem is it? See page 75 of Steam Locomotives of the Frisco. Number 4410 with web-spoke drivers wheels number 6 at Valley Park during October 1949. Did she swap drivers with another 4400?
   http://www.frisco.org/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=2044&d=1131748867 4414 Scullin

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